Der mysteriöse ungeklärte Mord an Frauke Liebs – True Crime Podcast / Video – Ty – Part 2

It could also have been Paderborn or some other place that was still relatively close  to Paderborn. That was also the investigators’ opinion at the time.  According to     the police at the time, initial suspicions arose against five men. However, the investigation and, in particular, the alibis ultimately cleared up these suspicions.

The crucial witness who saw Frauke and the perpetrator together, or an accomplice who would have broken their silence, was missing. The possibility of a perpetrator, either you or a couple, was not ruled out, and it was conceivable that perhaps two perpetrators could have abducted Frauke, simply  because it might not have been possible any other way.

The homicide investigation was dissolved around July 2007, according to the  regional newspaper at the time. After that, little was heard in the press about the Frauke Libs case. In 2011, there was a report on Frauke’s case in the program “Unsolved Murders,” but it seems that little  came of it.

In 2016, however, the horror caught up with the Libs family again in the press. Reports surfaced about the so- called “horror house” of Höxter. Wilfried and Angelika tortured two women to death, abused numerous women, and held some of them captive. They also sent text messages to relatives. A large number of cell phones belonging to their victims, who were already dead at that time, were found in Höxter.

Since Wilfred WE lived in Höxter- Bosseborn and is also said to have lived in Paderborn at one time, chatted a lot, and  found his victims through the internet and personal ads, suspicion arose that PA might have been holding Frauke captive. After extensive investigation, this was ruled out. However, Angelika W.

wrote Frauke’s mother a letter from prison, saying that perhaps she could help. After a very long conversation between Angelika W.’s chief investigating officer and Frauke’s mother, Ingrid Libs, it was decided not to respond to the letter. Angelika probably just wanted to make herself important and was bored in prison. Wilfried’s lawyer, Dr.

Binder, shares this opinion. Ingrid Libs trusted the officer, and only Wilfried and Angelika W. themselves know if there’s any truth to the story. Personally, I honestly think it’s impossible.  You can never completely rule anything out, but Frauke did n’t fit their pattern of targeting their victims. I know, however, that many others, perhaps including some of you, have doubts about whether they didn’t  But Frauke could have been killed.

In 2021, Ingrid Liebs decided  to seek public attention one last time and produce a documentary about her daughter together with Stern Crime. This documentary is still available on ETL Plus and has already been shown twice on VOX. The documentary features not only Ingrid Liebs but also Frauke’s friend Isabella, and also Nels (though only from behind).

Chris and Christos are also seen, as well as Karen’s sister, journalists, IT experts, the forensic psychiatrist Nala Saim, and several others. The documentary is really very well done. I ‘ve watched it several times. It also yielded a multitude of leads. For example, there was a similar modus operandi in the past, although no detailed information is provided.

There were also clues that would have been helpful as early as 2006, including specific names. Incidentally, the police didn’t comment once in the entire documentary, except in response to a brief written question. I find that very, very weak. Such a young girl died, and the police just did n’t do anything.     They didn’t make themselves available to appear publicly and report on it a bit, including for the Stern podcast (I’ll link all of that in the description).

It was too much work for them, I think. Yes, I think the whole thing speaks for itself and really leaves one… well, a bit speechless.  I’m going to be furious, but in the documentary “Crime,” we also learned that Ms. Liebs, through her lawyer, has now gained access to the files— not all of them, but some.

And through Ms. Liebs’s review of these files, it became    clear—and I only learned this in a WDR report from 2023—that not even  all the items found at the crime scene were examined by Ms. KBS. You really have to believe it! Frauke’s shoes, for example, were n’t examined, and the investigators’ response was something like, “Well, for you, they could send them to the lab so they could scratch at them a bit.

” That’s apparently how they phrased it. And then, they said, it would be a nice change from the constant DNA analysis in the lab. That’s what they apparently told Ms. Liebs. And I think to myself, “That’s just ridiculous!” So, sorry for being so blunt, but when I heard/saw this short WDR report, I became incredibly angry.

In my opinion, the police really didn’t do everything they could to…  To solve Frauke’s case, if she didn’t even investigate such things because she simply didn’t consider it necessary, for whatever reason, there are probably other things that weren’t investigated besides the shoes. However, Ms. Liebs unfortunately doesn’t comment publicly on this.

I would really be very interested to know what else hasn’t been investigated. And even if the investigations don’t turn up anything after so many years, at least  we’ll know that. This review of the files by Ms. Liebs would never have become public knowledge, and I consider that a minor scandal in the Ms. Kelbs case.

Because if all these investigations are now being carried out—I do n’t know if they’ve already been completed— and a DNA trace is found, then that would be a breakthrough after 17 years. Because the police only became active now, and the family has been hoping, pushing, and urging  the police on all this time, and after 17 years, thanks to Ms.

Liebs’s persistence, a DNA trace might finally be found. We don’t know if that will happen, but it would be so, so, so unfair to the family. I ca n’t put it into words.  Really, and by the way, I almost forgot to mention in the chronology that in 2020, an entrepreneur also contacted Ms. Liebs and created a website about Frauke and her disappearance.

That website no longer exists, and a reward of €30,000 was offered for information leading to the arrest of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, this also proved unsuccessful, and Frauke’s mother, as she herself says today, has simply become a bit weak.  Two years later, this year, several TV appearances, the documentary (from which much was hoped), the reward, and that great podcast from last year by Stern Crime (as I said, I’ll link all of that later), she called off the search.

As of 2023, on October 4, 2023, the day Frauke’s body was found, the website for information about Frauke’s murder went offline, and the €30,000 reward was withdrawn. Ingrid Liebs is now 70 years old, and the anniversary is 17 years later.  A good time for her to let go, she says herself. From Ingrid Liebs’ perspective, she did everything to find Frauke’s murderer as a mother, not from the investigators’ point of view, of course. And I completely agree.

I  ‘ve never experienced such a dedicated mother as Ms. Liebs. All the things she did in the media to draw attention to Frauke’s case again! She herself says, “Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to get any accomplices to talk,” even though she         ‘s convinced there must be accomplices. After all, Frauke was held captive for over a week, and surely someone must have noticed something. Ms. Liebs also received numerous tips from the former website, but they weren’t meant seriously. She was also insulted and verbally

abused. Someone sent her 45 emails to her email address, which was visible there at the time.  The content was almost unbearable, and every other email she received initially gave her hope, but then she became much more annoyed by these emails, which simply were n’t credible. She repeatedly experienced that the tips she passed on to the police, which were actually helpful, were not being followed up, and she had to repeatedly inquire about the status of the case.

When she then learned that the investigating officer  responsible for the Frauke case was on indefinite leave for family reasons, that was the  point where she really wanted to quit, because the police weren’t actively investigating anymore, at least not currently. Ingrid Liebs does n’t believe the case will ever be solved. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, of course, except perhaps by chance, she says.

But it’s a bitter pill to swallow. After all these years, one can understand her; she’s done so much to solve the case, and it’s clear she ‘s simply exhausted from all these years of searching, all the setbacks, and the struggle with the police and the public prosecutor’s office. And while the new public prosecutor, Kaiuwe Waschkß, is certainly more involved than his predecessor, I would argue, and always seems to be trying hard, he can’t exactly push the Bielefeld police forward; they  naturally work at their

own pace.  And he once said in an interview that the work of the police in Bielefeld speaks for itself. I have to chuckle a bit at that now because I think everyone knows what he means. I  think you just have to agree with it. It often even seems to me as if they don’t want to solve the case at all. It does n’t give the impression that much is being done, even though many leads have been passed on by the Liebs family.

And that a mother of 70, after fighting for 17 years – her parents have been separated for a long time, and she’s been fighting alone for a long time – that she eventually runs out of strength is understandable. At her advanced age, she would be less able to bear it all, and she simply couldn’t keep reading those emails anymore, where you think maybe they’ll help, but ultimately nothing comes of it. That’s what wears you down in the long run.

That’s how  she put it. And at some point, you have to  tell yourself that you have to think about yourself at that age. You really have done everything you can, and Frauke, she says, will always remain a part of life.  The grief will always remain, but her two other children and her grandchild also have the right to be seen.

Incidentally, she had the page and the reward deleted in consultation with the family, and the reward also withdrawn. Is that the right way to put it? I’m not entirely sure. Withdrawn is probably the right word. Ingrid Liebs now has a new partner who hopefully gives her a lot of strength, and perhaps he even told her to slow down a bit and take better care of herself.

I could well imagine that. Nevertheless, she would still be willing to, for example, have a private conversation with the perpetrator. She is n’t afraid of that, she said in the Stern podcast. And in the very last episode of the Stern podcast about the Frauke KBS case, Ms. Liebs also addressed the perpetrator directly. That’s very, very worth listening to.

In any case, Frauke’s murder is one of the most well-known criminal cases in Germany, but also one of the most mysterious. I myself  produced an episode about Frauke at the very beginning, as I mentioned before, which I have since deleted, but…  Since some new information has come up over time, and I also wanted to see the location for myself, I decided to  produce the new episode.

I also visited Frauke’s grave. The pictures you saw of the grave are mine, which, to be honest, I searched for for a very, very long time. I think we were in the cemetery for an hour and a half. The grave is quite inconspicuous. The stone looks very imposing in the press photos, but it’s actually a bit smaller than I imagined.

I had also suspected Frauke’s grave was in a completely different spot, but it was quite central and not too far away. I had never been to the Lober cemetery before, but we  found it by chance right at the end. It was very important to me to have been there. I also placed a small bouquet of flowers at the spot where Frauke was found.

That was very important to me, and it was a very, very unsettling feeling, I can tell you, to be at that spot because you know that the perpetrator was also there. That was a very, very strange feeling.  I’m sure this is n’t just a strange feeling for me, but also for some of you who come from East Westphalia.  You might even have crossed paths with Frauke’s murderer yourself.

Frauke’s sister Karen doesn’t go out alone in the dark anymore. She’s a mother herself now and named her son Frederik so that the name includes an F and an R, so that it would somehow fit with Frauke’s story. She, too,  suffered many deep wounds from the crime, which she says herself are irreparable. And the men in the family—Frauke’s father and brother—talk very little about Frauke’s murder.

Frank is afraid that otherwise he might get caught in a spiral from which he wouldn’t easily escape. But the case will probably haunt the family to this day, even though the men speak so little about it. Little is known about Frauke’s father, only that he is said to have found his own way of coping with the loss of Frauke.

We should  accept that he doesn’t want to be in the media. Well, my dears, that was my episode about Frauke.  Hey everyone, I hope I’ve managed to include some additional information that might have provided a little extra value, even though the Stern podcast is truly the best one I’ve ever heard on this case. I would be very happy about your active participation in the comments on YouTube and Instagram, where we can discuss the case together.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t include some things in the podcast; at some point, it just becomes too much. There’s also something about a suicide note written by someone who apparently took their own life near where Frauke was found, but the investigation didn’t seem to lead anywhere with that. I just wanted to  mention that briefly.

However, I hope I’ve still  covered most of the important points in this podcast. As I think I mentioned at the very beginning, there will also be a short video in a few days, which will only be available on YouTube, where I’ll  show you the locations again, how I felt during the call, and you’ll also see the  Mönkelo industrial park during the day.

I initially thought it was a night call or a late evening call.  From Frauke, but you’ll see the industrial park as Frauke must have visited it back then, in daylight, or let’s say during the day. There are also film and photo footage from Paderborn, Asseln, and other locations, so also near where the body was found. So feel free to check it out on YouTube in the next few days.

I’ll also announce everything again on Instagram. Frauke’s case is simply one that really moves me the most because I come from OWL (East Westphalia-Lippe) and because I know that many of you feel the same way. It really affects you because she was held captive. She tried to give signals, but the police couldn’t do anything.

The family tried very hard, but no one believed them. Frauke probably experienced unimaginable suffering during that entire week she was held captive. And you just wonder, or rather, I keep wondering in this case, who the murderer is? Is he still alive? Did he emigrate? Is he to be found in Frauke’s inner circle? I assume Frauke knew her murderer, but that’s just my assumption.

As I said, feel free to write what you think about it in the comments. I certainly hope in this case…  I especially hope that I can give you an update on this case sometime soon. The hope is rather small, but it’s never impossible that Frauke’s case could still be solved. I hope so, so much. And for Frauke’s family, if you’re listening to this episode, I sincerely hope that this case will be solved and that all the effort of these years hasn’t been in vain.

I would have loved to interview Frauke’s mother. I even asked, but I understand that she simply wants to withdraw from the public eye now and can’t accept all these requests. But perhaps something will come of it someday, and then you’ll hear about it. But if not, as I said, I truly wish the family all the best from the bottom of my heart, and yes, I really hope for a resolution.

I’ll say goodbye for today until the next episode. Until next time, yours, Lia