Der fall jasmin m. Aus eigeltingen – true crime podcast – Ty – Part 2

I’ve probably already taken it down the psyche processes it differently namely physically and also i have great respect for that, of course karen almost always attended the trial with the support of her friends family and of course hers too lawyer and on january 23rd of this year that was it konstanz public prosecutor’s office and the defense of robert’s as well ms.

braun in the co-prosecution has hers the pleas were presented public prosecutor was after proceedings say robert’s got jasmine killed in her apartment and the body then make it disappear required 12 years and 6 months imprisonment for accused of assault and battery reenactment resulting in death evaluation of the digital traces chat histories voice messages photos and statements left no doubt about it the prosecutor jasmin’s mother and wife braun agreed to the demand 12 years and six months on even if she actually likes one received a life sentence

And now to defend this looked, of course, in contrast to prosecutors neither have a motive evidence that the accused jasmin killed we don’t know what happened said his defense attorney and demanded free saying robert was of course silent further he only closed the statements by his defense attorneys and i once asked ms.

braun what kind an impression robert made on her during the trial did and whether he ever did said something or had something communicated, so no he has once over his defenders there it was about admitting these weapons let so that was also if i i now remember correctly that is of course everything is fine now very long ago was also in the oral judgment announcement on this by what was said by the chairman they said, well, of all things the point is obvious anyway and it was documented, but say something about it all the other things that are somehow like that

Have raised so many questions about the they didn’t comment on any points of course that can’t be a disadvantage so you can’t weight anyone but keep quiet of course it is for my client for jasmin’s mother very much been bad, otherwise it’s always like that very difficult to judge, to be honest when the client is the defendant not from personal contact i actually know it only perceived from the outside i have to say most of the time he seemed very concentrated composed but also trying to move on keep quiet and maybe not that

To express yourself another time you could then see that he kept doing it sometimes violently with his with his defenders defender and the defense attorney spoke or discussed without that it was my business what there was you have to talk about it too respect of course um but yes so now not crying in there but actually most of the time without moving that i should somehow evaluate this now i would like what ms.

braun reproduced also what you often see in the press namely that one could read robert s absolutely nothing noted that expressed yes even mr.ühnsberg could totally understand him difficult to read he was silent and you noticed it’s not like he has anything either would be sorry maybe or that he it’s sad that you have everything for him can’t comment at all and in my opinion he certainly was also very good from his defenders prepared for it as he is whether he behaved privately or not jasmin thinks maybe she’s even crying or

Of course, any regrets remain completely openly that he is not certainly also expressed effects on the sentence one week later on january 30, 2024 was the day of judgment announcement in the case of jasmin m robert s was sentenced to a year and a half in prison convicted and what the verdict was exactly we’ll get to that in a moment again there will be that again jasmin’s mother’s lawyer for us something to tell the view of according to the konstanz district court, he has jasmin killed and later the body hidden and the chamber and judges

Anno hornstein assume that he jasmin in her apartment perhaps sure but with violence that stunned it had also been killed before got strangling strangling blows or even a push also explained judge anne hornstein in his justification that the chamber with the it would have been ruled by the exclusion principle so there would be no evidence of any jasmin’s suicide is not due to an accident or severe health problems would have led to death and it was right don’t think about that jasmine going into hiding was plausible for them

Chamber only that robert eats them well killed after a heated argument the chamber did not do this intentionally from so not assuming that he has one she really had a plan night to kill but that he from the he and he acted out of a dispute already showed in the past that he can freak out hornstein also turned to him several times to robert s he accepted the verdict but how there was no movement throughout the entire process contrary so didn’t really show one the judge expressed that robert it itself through its behavior

Contributed that you just from he must have gone out of his guilt did not contribute to the clarification and that that’s what künsberg says too already briefly mentioned in the speech before christmas but the judge did it’s also clear how difficult it is for the chamber has been they could yes only on witnesses and on the mostly digital evidence professions too it was of course noticeable that robert s at the time jasmin disappeared the gps that had just been installed tracker on the car again removed where he was

Otherwise there is quite a need for control of course that was the case with her now just a short one for you but excerpt from the reasons for the judgment i still didn’t want to go unmentioned let the defense explained after the negotiation to file an appeal also the public prosecutor’s office put it first revision one that is in the specific case now that the federal court of justice he’s busy checking this, for example judgment based on legal error only first of all, lawyer johanna braun exact sentence of robert’s im

In this specific case it was like that accused once of assault was condemned to the detriment the jasmine m then he gave her it was even further in the past probably with a fist face punched, there was one for that a fine of 100 daily rates is then imposed he always goes to different things secretly made films at certain times and made recordings for it depending on the severity of the procedure 30 daily rates or once 60 daily rates fine and alone for them assault resulting in death that’s what the court ruled

So the jasmine was responsible for the death there were then 8 years and this resulted this total sentence is 8 years because they asked why so little is allowed actually not overlooked bodily harm resulting in death a penalty range of not less than 3 years and this is legal maximum automatically at 15 years so anything between 3 and 15 years and if you look at it now the range is pretty much clear about the means the defendant wasn’t now somehow great relevant criminal record or somehow that’s why it is in fact, not that little, yes it is

Of course it is always for relatives always and that was simply the point here that one yes that the court last in the end, yes, bodily harm has been said death result of more we could not convince no death blow and no murder is what we ultimately commit had that hurt that hurt of course and i have to say a homicide would have 5 to given 15 years so there is the range so more than 15 years there there was no timely punishment range isn’t that much bigger now that’s why i actually asked ms braun why the punishment is so low

It’s failed but there you have it leichtnam from jasm was not found you couldn’t do anything else determine what, for example, is still considered manslaughter could have been evaluated, for example would already have the punishment like you i’ve heard it’s significantly lower however, i think that can fail as a non-lawyer, borrow someone who can doesn’t have it in his professional life on a daily basis always remembering that it isn’t true can that a human life whoever is responsible for it ends it to have such a lenient punishment for me

But also receives that’s just the way it is the rule of law and the rules here germany even if you might not necessarily always understandable by the way, robert’s can also be for illegal possession of weapons condemned according to mr.ühnsberg with that i still talked about it should be old weapons must have been from his father he also stored these in a similar way not necessarily ahead of the house sure he posed with it too internet again very shortly afterwards but that jasmin with it was killed is extremely

Unlikely than i did the interview it was also the case with ms. Braun so that the public prosecutor’s office appealed had appealed against the verdict entirely at the beginning i had it like this the chances of success for such a revision of course i asked that completely discussed openly and directly with her the chances of success of an revision lie with the latest statistics very old that’s why it’s such a thing a bit of a range between 3 and they say 5% m that means that’s how i always phrase it approximately 95% of all judgments

Which were submitted during the revisions and just keep away accordingly, of course, you have to the probability of it going out to say there will possibly be nothing significant when it comes to getting around though it is absolutely open and we’re going to look at this so this that will still take a while until the but i’m very excited about the decision let’s put it this way, i’ve only got it now recently a revision returned so get a decision from the federal court of justice gave the verdict lifted so there is no question at all

To be honest, i still had one back then little hope that even if the percentage that belongs to you right now perhaps the judgment is low but could be tipped again and a new process and therefore also a would have had better judgment in jasmin’s case however, can be caught in july the public prosecutor’s office filed its appeal application back and like the swedish one a spokesman said the newspaper reported the public prosecutor’s office in konstanz in retrospect it is too small chances of success for this application

Maintain as there are no procedural errors or the judgment was incorrect so all you have to do now is wait on the decision of the federal court of justice there too defense of robert’s appeal has inserted and with this the decision will not be made until october at the earliest 2024 was also expected september spoken but there is so far yes nothing happens but one decision could definitely happen this year i will still fall over it to you of course, we’ll let you know later according to press reports, of course it is

Also just assess everyone and their you can hardly ask experts other judgment like that now decided was just to be expected and if if then also only in favor of the defendant that there will be a new process this is currently not expected of course it could be anything but it is probably not really to be assumed if you look at it as a whole that there are not enough errors in the judgment or given in the proceedings and this message was for karen that the public prosecutor’s office appealed was really withdrawn at first

Sadly i asked her about it she posted the article in whatsapp how she is doing with it and but now that’s my view unfortunately, i had to accept it that way accept it and can’t do anything about it but also do according to the judgment and this but karen has a strenuous process not given up but above all she gave don’t stop looking for jasmine just content that robert s didn’t say anything in court or generally said nothing several times karen visits the correctional facility and asks around to speak to robert but he refused

Karen printed 700 posters karen’s sister at the beginning herself later i had karen design it i also created a new flyer is also available on youtube and instagram a video of these flyers were made around 2000 sometimes printed and in mailboxes including in küsserberg where robert he lived with his wife has thrown and sometimes also hung up, i’ll link you to my video more about this in the description and also has been in recent months a website about jasmin’s case of course i’ll link it to you you can also find it there too

The donation account and i would like to i would also like to welcome you to this point team scarlet would like to thank andreas one of the helper that i’m still good with today i have no contact at all enables this contact with karen and that this episode at all so in this scope could also arise at least but that’s why i actually do that that’s why karin had to mention it please contact the team scarlet and these also enabled her to make contact with the signne organization from the netherlands and peter from the team too

Please find scarlet had herself offered to help with jasmin’s case the search for jasmin’s body is like that a little bit forward it has now a pretty small one at the moment group of helpers formed and as me heard about it i was really so touched more often than not karen had help distributing them the flyer but the search for jasmine the she’s had it since the police stopped looking for jasmine can no longer continue because the the police would only be in serious cases look for jasmine again using the clues

So it all kind of stopped and of course karin wants to find jasmin i would bury her and maybe also with that a little bit of peace find it in a certain way can and then when i heard there is now still a very small group people who just want to help, yes i really almost have to cry say because jasmin’s case concerns me of course also very close when you’re so tight also been in contact with mom has existed all the time and currently this group of herbert and cornelia h peter, who is from the team please find scarlet here is an s and this is jana

Jasmin’s aunt and of course also karen and herbert and cornelia have that jasmin’s fate for a very long time busy because cornelia was too their working hours have always been the same newspaper from where we were still looking for jasmine and now cornelia is retired and has enough time to help and to look and see from your balcony the couple found the place where jasmin back then worked so there is one too certain connection there and she and her husband herbert has also been there looking for a forest in küsserberg but there is

Unfortunately there is far too little evidence and also plays a big role like in front of the row and lake constance where you can yes, jasmin’s car also found them back then however, investigators ruled out that robert spent them on a boat might have if the question now still comes up but you go away from that jasmine was thrown into a body of water could have been missing until today also this 6kg weighted blanket which could have been used peter from the team asked scarlett in a south korea interview also that

People would ask him why he did that actually, they would do it anyway dead but he said i have to help with it is a human being and as dull as he is some i could see personally don’t see that either, that’s a human being and he is worthy of it, or she in that case it is worth burying to be and to be found it right in the event of a crime and also for them relatives and they now want something similar like in the scarlett search party one wanderapp benefits in which you can use yours can store rods and then know

Where she was already looking for jasmine will also have to come again soon supporting a diving team other things in lienheim are looking for there the current is not so strong and a body can easily sink and in the rock may be hanging on the bottom lenheim is about 9 km away küsserberg removed to rough orientation hears the search for jasmine so not on jasmine will not abandoned and in my other youtube you can also find the video on instagram all the places are named again probably play a role in the case so one could assume that there

Jasmine could be there somewhere but probably in forests or in waters where there is of course still a lot it’s harder to find it and i’m happy too by the way, the group if there are still people would like to come from the area would be seriously interested in it from time to time you can also search for it among others on the specified report homepage or with me i direct but you’ll be happy to find that further there is also one on the wanted poster otherwise you can email address also feel free to send the flyer to the case

By the way, you can also find jasmin facebook instagram or youtube feel free to save it to my channels and hang it up when you get out of there feel free to post or share it socially media can really do that new people help a lot maybe you can also find them on the be aware of the case and the maybe, in the best case scenario, you can also search for it at least i would really karen at this point too very very much wish that again people come along every now and then who feel like it have to look for it now it’s coming soon

You actually only have winter left now maybe in november the possibility to continue looking at all and then it would be of course it would be great if there were more people would come together now we are slowly coming to the end of today i’ve reached the episode and i’d like to warmly at this point of course thank you to karen without that this consequence is never possible to this extent would have been thanks for all the conversations and that i will always take you with me questions were allowed to be perforated even if that was for

Definitely not always easy was and you gave me that too contact t made to the lord kuhnsberg from the south korier and also to your lawyer johanna braun too a big one to both of them, of course thank you for giving me interviews to the case have also given a many thanks to miriam and to jan that i also have a conversation with you was allowed to lead and a few more details about the jasmin case and jasmin i also received it myself and i have it consciously not everything that is in the interviews were entrusted to me or

Also what was in press articles i took over this episode because some things was so private and partly so so intimate that it’s not all about that public belongs because i think so doesn’t really need every detail exploit something about a person sometimes you have to publish it also be a little careful but i think everything important in the case jasmin m need to know i have this today’s episode mentioned on this one really say a big thank you everyone who took part and how always interests me at the end of this

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