Der fall jasmin m. Aus eigeltingen – true crime podcast – Ty

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Again today about a crime my channel i had you jasmin case already in july 2023 imagines it was still a right fresh missing case on it has but not much has changed to date jasmin is still missing, only her chances that jasmine could still be alive is seen as very very low and a few days after jasmins disappear was already her exartner at that time arrested and now also however, the verdict is condemned the revision is not yet legally binding was lodged by the defense nevertheless, today there is a law extensive follow-up for you on the case

Jasmin m and in today’s episode don’t you just hear me like you usually do yes, this is often the case but also that attorney for the johanna braun family which jasmin’s mother also presented represented the court and you can hear it too in parts janluka kühsberg from südkurier who often reports on the jasmin m.

case reported and i also have a lot spoke to jasmin’s mother karen and get to know them a little in the many conversations we had on the phone that was one for me too i already have a completely new experience of course sometimes with mothers in missing ones or even homicides but as close as i am to the case of jasmin m was allowed to come, that was one for me too new experience i have to say and it is also one of the cases that concerns me, of course now also very touching and these of course i have today’s episode with me

Jasmin’s mother karen also agreed she also made it possible for me with jasmins to be able to speak to my first friend jan so i also spoke to him on the phone and also had contact with others people involved in the case were and also from these conversations i will tell you in parts today first and foremost is this episode but was there to help you with the jasmin case m to imagine and remember them also to remember that jasmine jasmin m.

is still wanted was at the time of her disappearance she was only 21 years old on march 19th born in hegau in 2001, she later lived in the municipality of eigeltingen in the district konstanz in baden-württemberg in more detail jasmin lived in eigeltingen heudorf in her own apartment along with her beloved dog molly she had no siblings and her her father died when she was only 16 years old was 2017 and that was karin jasmin’s mother told me that it really hit jasmin understandably she did but that way a bit compared to offers of help

Closed by the hospice e.g. That too young people were in aftercare at the time but unfortunately jasmin turned around but jasmin had a bit of joy car screws she already has them closed she still enjoys being with her father during her lifetime made and later she even made it then also training in motor vehicles mechatronics engineer in konstanz and graduated the training later in the same something larger operation in singen from them was interested in the cars but also played for animals in the school theater

With and found pleasure in cruises which she and her mother karen did and already had as a child so there is joy in playing the accordion there is also a picture of jasmin where she is sitting on the sofa and such a small one accordion in hand i have you that once posted on instagram that is really a very very nice picture jasmin, however, is also from were accompanied from childhood strange unexplained health problems problems long before her death father before kindergarten her mother told me they were under

Among other things, circulatory problems and no one could find out where these came from health problems are in the time where jasminia also has hers she then learned that she missed her father so much jan knows her first boyfriend and she went to concerts together, did things jasmin did a lot of things together distraction and karin talked me that jan tells her afterwards i noticed that jasmin still cried often so she could relate to him a bit their grief open for two years kept jan and jasmin’s relationship

Then they realized that they had to the contact was different but they also stayed as friends later on at the time when this was brewing later, no one thought it was possible as i just mentioned was jasmine she learned automotive mechatronics learned several things in a car dealership had offices and sp later she worked in one motorcycle dealership as a service advisor and jasmin also learned through her job robert s know whom i often go with robert will abbreviate and robert was over 20 years older than jasmin is supposed to be

That’s what jan, young at heart, also told me jasmin and he fell in love quickly intertwine and jasmin didn’t seem to have a problem with that this age difference during karen as her mother had some concerns i had some for over 20 years however, people also described robert not just as young at heart but something in a negative sense then as show-off and proleten also had a bit of a stomach ache robert was already in second place marriage has also been married he children who were children perhaps not that the problem was divorced though

Robert when he met jasmin the two of them were not in the summer of 2021 then a few in january robert and jasmin followed suit in 2022 eigelting heudorf and then as jasmin had her own apartment she adopted her first dog of her own molly and molly and jasmin were inseparable, she came everywhere too in the meantime, i unfortunately showed myself to work tensions build up after some time in the relationship between robert and jasmin there were more and more arguments and with her first boyfriend jan jasmin will have some contact again in 2022

Just friendly and her jan told some of the problems with robert and he also told her honestly what he thought about one in the evening around 10:30 p.m. Jasmin called surprisingly jan to he should come to her apartment very quickly and when jan arrived at jasmin’s she had a real black eye and expressed that she had a fight with robert she had wanted to get away from him separate and let it be closed there were scuffles and also karen and her then life partners previously fall optically changes to jasmine on as one

Jasmin asked directly if robert wanted her because she didn’t deny that she hit admittedly, she did that back then too not even it is an incident came where jasmin zzene a little loose robert was also in favor of it responsible too there was so unfortunately, violence comes again later a letter was found in the apartment which he even admitted to doing so to be responsible he would even bear the costs of dental treatment want to switch at some point there was a moment with jasmin where she realized that at least living together with robert

Has no future in october in 2022 she threw him out of the apartment she financed it alone anyway there is said to have been violence and disputes there were like that too press articles make it clear robert said to have had financial problems by the way, it is also unclear whether it is jasmine robert was first expelled from the apartment so kick him out for whatever reasons whatever or whether the violence comes first took place and robert then before the door was set robert followed suit the separation into his mobile home there

He now lived so the mobile home was located he also went there in ravensburg temporarily relocated to ravensburg for work lay from eigeltinghudorf is a good 70 km away but the separation was everything for jasmin other than simply despite the violence in the relationship was difficult for her let robert go and have him every now and then but hit also described him sometimes with her mother as the love of her life and according to friends, she wanted to also starting a big family with him so jasmin had plans for her

Robert’s exp partner, however jasmin didn’t understand herself at all jasmin is supposed to be responsible for the breakdown of the marriage made responsible whether that only the two of them know that’s true i think but generally you understand often with the exp partner of the own partner not so well despite the jasmin tried to separate and see but also to distract myself and learn meeting new people was also with jan jasmin is out and about more often again and whatnot but the two of them often noticed it

When they are out together outside was that you robert always happened by chance have met somewhere over the course of jan happened to keep this time but no longer for pure coincidence but control and didn’t have a good feeling jasmin and. Worked on the matter robert still in the same company there but he should face jasmin have held back only on theirs he is said to have opened his apartment more often be about two weeks before everything happens jasmin still had one doctor’s appointment in nuremberg and jan has her

Accompanied there and they had afterwards did something else in munich where she were common but it worked nothing new between the two about it stayed with this friendship and jasmin also met a new man but i still knew the whole thing very much fresh on february 18th in 2023, jasmin visited her mother because on february 19th karen wanted to come dresden drive what karen to this didn’t know that time yet last meeting between mother and daughter later on saturday jasmin planned another party in switzerland visiting a friend of hers was celebrating

Birthday but she should be sad there it will also have worked later the two of them met robert in the evening including at mcdonald’s sing and spent the evening jasmine was probably still together too a little longer than that whatsapp contact with karen ended at 12:22 am on february 19, 2023 and karen went on february 19th, a sunday then also on the way to dresden where she in the afternoon and was usual it between mother and daughter that one maline quickly sent a message saying that you just arrived safely and karen

I actually knew it from jasmin even then, she always responds quickly got from her daughter this time however, not the catch with whatsapp for read were not blue so the message was only delivered but just no longer read and later against in the evening karin also tries jasmin to call because there was no response at all came was very strange but too karen’s surprise was jasmin’s cell phone the jasmine is switched off more often was once traveling in switzerland that might also be the reason for it that the cell phone was switched off

So there’s no reason to worry for now karen still wrote to jasmin another message as to whether everything is ok she then shouted that it was okay in the evening jan to her still had his number and i knew that the two of them still had a lot but we also did things together jan couldn’t help karin, he knew didn’t know where jasmin was and what she had in mind the last time i heard from jan was a week ago but karen still comes to her senses to report to other friends of jasmin which she then did without further ado

Whoever she called, no one knew where jasmine could stick until she then robert called robert said karen on phone jasmin is at a party switzerland and then they have but then jasmin met had been drunk and then they were drove to her house it came again too intimate contact between the two despite the separation and next tomorrow we’re talking about february 19th so sunday so now no one confusion here comes be it jasmin again it didn’t go so well she had circulation problems again according to robert and there was another argument between him

And jasmin he would then go to zitzenhausen a district of stockach in the country he drove to konstanz there on need to do something there on sunday jasmin and robert worked but and this was completely incomprehensible to karen what he did there on a sunday robert should then continue on the phone after it was done it would then be closed jasmin drove and then jasmin got packed a red bag from kaufland with her things and said she wanted drive away and he should please in time take care of your dog molly monday

So a day later she would come back again karen knew about that evening didn’t know what she said about robert’s statement was supposed to hold but waited until monday first of all, she was in anyway dresden and couldn’t do anything on site but on monday she tried jasmin directly to reach it again by phone but her cell phone was still off when she did then spoke to robert again he that jasminia is safe with her new one be the friend you just know learned and, strangely enough, knew robert even the address and name of

Jasmin’s new boyfriend and that was surprising karen did and it really suited her very strange she was afraid too jasmin could perhaps have an accident that’s why we had to drive she also called everyone on the phone she also called hospitals from later on called the police but they said something like that often in missing cases at that time it was almost night that jasmine doesn’t spoil the fun should be and she should be her daughter just let the carnival be celebrated but jasmin didn’t celebrate carnival at all

And karen then told the police officers also with but he only said that on tuesday everything will definitely be fine again order would be according to the motto there is power a mother goes crazy again too karin naturally asked whether it was an accident somewhere in the area jasmin’s place of residence was given to him but not like that she spoke to shipping companies in the region and asked them by telephone that they should address their drivers that they keep an eye on the street vines whether there is jasmin’s car or not

She herself could perhaps lie because jasmin’s route to work led through forests and also remote roads but there nothing came up either tuesday morning karen contacted one friends who worked for the police this also confirmed to her that it was there had been no accident and gave karen the advice to file a missing report also on tuesday february 21st karen received one from robert, let’s say sometimes an unpleasant voice message he hyperventilated and groaned at that i’m afraid karen is still in dresden went to the police about it

That was even more frightening the fact that jasmin on tuesday where another regular working day for her wouldn’t have been at work of course the cell phone also appeared was still switched off and jasmin was a very reliable and dutiful young woman that has karen just wasn’t a good fit for her then spoke to a nice person in dresden policewoman who is also the unpleasant one played voice message from robert and these then took the missing pointers up and redirected them badenwürttemberg further and the police cooperation was here

Really very good than when she was karen sat at the police station in dresden the colleagues looked at each other baden-württemberg already has jasmins apartment in eigeltingenhudorf around robert came first later in jasmin’s apartment but was taken out by the police molly was also sent to the apartment taken by robert and jasmins apartment sealed because you go to didn’t know at the time either what exactly happened to robert then drove to ravensburg there as i just mentioned briefly motorhome and jasmin molly’s dog

He initially took him there on the 23rd february 2023 published the südkurier made the first missing report which said the police were still looking always looking for the 21-year-old jasmin m eigeltingen heudorf she could on last sunday february 19 neither through her family or through friends be contacted and was then reported missing like the presidium in konstanz on wednesday evening it announced cannot be ruled out something happened to her or to herself is in a helpless situation first investigation at the residential address

As well as in the surrounding area have so far no plausible explanation for her absence arise according to previous the young woman has the status of the investigation my wife lived alone and i have janluca kuhnsberg from the south korean then once asked if you were at the beginning so briefly the disappearance after february 19th a usual missing case is speaking the person probably will again by itself showing up a short time later was then yes it was clear and we had that too security circles very early on

Find out before the police contact them it has gone public there are suspects and in this respect they leave it it’s hard to reconstruct how many other thoughts for us then actually made at the time because somehow the time window was there really very small and then it was already known okay there is a suspect and made an arrest and thus there are judges in germany as a rule, it’s not particularly easy either that spoke for it very quickly that apparently a crime is happening should be like him kühnsberg right now

Reported that there was one very quickly but first i would like to be arrested shortly at the time immediately before report jasmin’s apartment was like his you’ve just heard by now sealed and karen was at the end of the week on the way back from dresden to baden-württemberg and she settled drive because it’s physically necessary for her the situation just doesn’t matter at all went well and so did karen’s driver the whole thing still took time longer and longer and the wah rang her cell phone several times – it was the police

Who absolutely still talk to her wanted and that personally when karen arrived home i was very impressed sensitive, nice police officers come to her and usually you know that’s that here is the moment in many of my cases where a relative is told that a body was found in this the case was different but karen became informed that they had jasmin’s car but you could find jasmine can’t find the car, a toyota corolla in black was parked on bora bar resort on karl wolfstrasse in radolfzell on lake constance karen thought

At first moment that jasmin certainly had an accident and now somewhere possibly wandering around injured could be in the area of radolf zell but the police officers made karen very upset it quickly became clear that that wasn’t the case may be because jasmin’s car was been parked properly and accident-free, even with a parking permit the time when with the police officers robert was also arrested and i talked to karen about it too spoken if you still remember why robert could do it so quickly jasmins are disappearing as we speak

Was arrested after just 5 days but she wasn’t 100% sure anymore sure what came to mind, for example was that there was a speed camera photo that robert as the driver of jasmin’s car showed while he said that he i wasn’t traveling alone and jasmin also drove the car he was captured by a camera like him got into jasmin’s car alone should be and the press also reported about the suspect’s ex-boyfriend jasmin here again, janla küsberg from south korea it was there for you that was put in place quite soon there is just a suspect and was there

Then already known that at least in the past uh in the relationship and then yes just look at the statistics um in germany and also other places most in the world violent crimes, especially against women it just happens somehow within the partnership and um yes that was it rather always always challenging because we got this information so early had um but nothing was proven and the presumption of innocence applies not also in the reporting not to be prejudgmental but of course we then researched what kind of guy is that?

Find out the d that he likes had somehow handled weapons somehow pictures of something for us a historical pistol looked where he was while shooting somewhere on vacation had a photo taken of him has a boat and so on and then there are those horses were taken in and of course they could somehow a picture of this suspect but draw just in the course of the we have to inform the police further of course, always pay attention to that may be suspicious but it could be also happened quite differently that you always be careful and

Just not the same in public the image emerges that the perpetrator is here was found when i started jasmin’s case for you to be honest, i was fine with the treatment icy cold down the spine as known robert was in possession of weapons has been and i think every one of us would draw conclusions very quickly but we’ll get to that later jasmine ignite molly was by the way robert’s arrest to a friend later she brought a new one loving family where she is to this day found home and while so jasmin’s ex-boyfriend is sitting in uhhaft

So therefore very quickly from one of course, if there was a crime, you stayed also from the investigative authorities don’t do your first search idly jasmin took place on february 26th search found between hudorf and gugenhausenstadt one day later over 50 police officers were looking for her a forest near you residence in the heudorf district also in guggenhausen, further searches took place dog teams were also included integrated helicopters and drones were also used in march the search then concentrated in 2023

He to the area where jasmin’s car was found in radolfzell on lake constance but of course heudorf also played place of residence still plays a role and ends march, for example, was a big one in heudorf we were looking for chess lids raised manure pits examined and that weather was really horrible but that’s it they didn’t let themselves be stopped immediate surroundings of jasmin’s apartment was already searched for at the very beginning where to look in eigeltingenhudorf there was no trace of jasmine it was only clear that there were probably two blankets

Missing later turned out however, it turns out that there is only one it has been a ceiling until today becomes a 6kg weighted blanket missed in pink wine red and it played an orange volkswagen bus and a white fiat ducato at least plays a role bartman back then as the public jasmin’s cell phone also appears to be an iphone was no longer found, so hers the ceiling was gone and that too iphone mid-april in 2023 the police stopped the search small eigeltingen heudorf then completely one you are not there progressed and would only have with new ones

Looked for clues again and there you go jasmin’s car near lake constance found one focused strongly robert also had a boat and at the beginning there was of course that assumption that this boat possibly could be related to the case the high rhine also played a role as the place of residence of the suspect robert’s küsserberg is located on hochrein and searches were made several times highly pure as well as on lake constance postponed due to bad conditions weather conditions and floods on hochrein in the waldzut district after the

But unfortunately also search on the water did not provide any new knowledge this was presented in july in 2023 i also have one for now this episode today in april with miriam can speak and miriam worked in one of the hospitals where karen was at that time called to ask if jasmin was there may have been admitted miriam could also have been there attention to the missing case of jasmin and she already knew karen back then her sister is friends with her and at first she thought so too maybe jasmin could do carnival

Celebrated until i got the paper then turned around very quickly and the two of them but women stayed in touch and in as time passed, miriam asked karen how they’re doing well financially would come and at least had to jasmin’s expenses will also be borne such as rent and other ongoing costs and jasmin’s savings were enough not having to keep up with all these costs of course there was no cover easy time for karen and so came miriam and her sister then agreed to the idea set up a donation account for karen let miriam took over, among other things

This task and just asked banks after and unfortunately it was often rejected until she then with the mayor of eigelting in contact came and he set up a donation account help that at least she doesn’t have this burden having to lift alone was one of the things at that time in the singener’s advertisement weekly places and newspapers reported but also about it, among other things südkurier also reported on swr aktuell and the donation account still exists today i will also give you this in the description link on youtube as

Also on the podcast portals because it can still be used today can be used to find jasmine and the mayor also provided storage space and employees around the apartment to be able to clear out jasmine among others karen paid for a container from them jasmin’s personal donations of course, karen kept things another one was started in november 2023 looking for jasmin meanwhile she was already disappeared for 7 months and that there was also a trial against robert but soon i hope to find her no one wanted to give up and that would have been the case

For the trial and the subsequent sentence maybe something can be changed if so the body would have been found please contact the group scarlet really likes it too long after the missing hiker scarlet’s search received karen contact to the dutch organization signne they volunteered to do so ready to search for jasmine help and three of their search dogs what was sought at that time was bodenzee near radolfzell there was yes also found jasmin’s car and the dogs of actually had in lake constance also struck by the

Organization hans a diver with us and miriam accompanied the event due to the fact that only hans as miriam was supposed to be a diver experienced divers are available if necessary something happens to the diver in the water would was found in the water unfortunately nothing hans said to karen back then he loves her daughter so much would have brought back that was a thing back then very emotional day reported to me karen and there the dogs but still ten divers were still searching there the police according to südkurier in lake constance

After jasmin because of sign struck two dogs independently of each other also police dogs hit one similar place and at 6° water temperature and weak current they looked for things on muddy ground jasmin also with this other one unfortunately, the police conducted a search jasmine was never found only two dead animals found on the 9th november the trial against began in 2023 robert s at the konstanz regional court jasmin’s mother lived the process as co-plaintiff represented by her attorney ms. Braun robert was hired by

Represented by two public defenders and came to trial with hand and ankle irons and the process was carried out under strict conditions safe precautions taken like me her kühnsberg reported and that is not always the rule but it should have yes, it could be that someone would have, for example we all know that we want to take revenge of some processes that the accused people behave like this very often they hide in file folders hold your face because they don’t want to be recognized but that was in robert’s case was completely different

Be relatively open to journalists so you could see the face but in it became newspapers anyway pixelated because you can see the corpse jasmine wasn’t found the process is purely circumstantial it is often said that a trial without a body this also applies to a murder without a corpse at least in the later one judgment not given to robert s was then by the public prosecutor accused himself on the night of the 19th february 2023 unauthorized access to the apartment from jasmine in eigeltingenhudorf to have procured

There he is said to have violently attacked her or have anesthetized them ultimately lost his life afterwards he then has the easy name of someone disappear into an unknown place the charge at the time was assault and reenactment resulting in death reported the swr robert s remained silent he didn’t want to start the process according to them, jasmin and robert had investigations from at least august 2021 until october 2022 a relationship in october 2022 jasmin robert then also had it in front of her door set after there was violence again

Violence did not come to jasmin reported that she let robert off like that at the time come because she didn’t want him to that gets even more problems robert should not be accused of the separation have accepted whether he himself still he has also been married jasmine massively recreated voice messages, chat histories, photos and videos from his cell phone are supposed to do just that he was also supposed to prove it loudly back then accusations without jasmins know themselves in stayed in her apartment and she

Filmed from outside and in her have a gps tracker installed in your car so if you hear it all like that then that really doesn’t sound good at all so he always knew where jasmin is on the details i’ll be charged soon too more precisely, they also played one big role in the process and for chief public prosecutor ulrich gerlach loudly in my own words, one of the most difficult processes that he has ever had since it is a so it was purely circumstantial a process where you learn about a missing person actually to be assumed dead person

But don’t negotiate with the corpse this is not the rule you should also have a spare key for the former shared apartment made and jasmine may have stunned how exactly but the crime took place the charges could not be clarified at the time, it was assumed that jasmin either by force or a could have died from anesthesia voice messages documented roberts desperate attempts to jasm after him hit her in the face so hard that she has two loose front teeth has worn he didn’t want to hurt her she doesn’t need to be afraid of him

Please give me another chance, just you and i said, for example, in it and should also get angry in the voice messages also talked he should send jasmin 20 to 30 messages per jasmin’s mother wrote that day also told me that if jasmin was with her often messages from robert have been received should also be in the indictment at that time robert rebuilt himself jasmine to stalk a 3 m long selfie stick he used to film jasmin through the window even in intimate ones situations that just remind me a little bit about the anna s case

Gelsenkirchen but there were cameras in there you can install it in the apartment by the way, also on my channel in three share listening and jasmin’s whereabouts he should also secretly go through this gps then tracked it in the car of course it reminds me now too my conversation with jan back who is yes could also remember that robert often appeared where jan and jasmin have been on the road and that too no longer considered pure coincidence robert has it between 9 and 57 times location retrieved daily from this

Gps tracker the tracker is what it is called he then about two weeks before jasmin disappeared after the beginning of february installed somewhere in your car the disappearance of jasmin robert claims that she contacted him to look after molly your dog jasmin wanted to go skiing of course, it already contradicts itself the statement that karen made to me robert is said to have said yes there jasmin wanted to go away for a night and he did i don’t know what’s going on on the second one either the investigative work was completed

The police in the foreground are police officers including from pen village and tutling described their work during the days after jasmin’s mother reported her missing robert reported that he was already very strong at that time he even quickly became the focus back then soon heard until the deep night then contacted the officials they say gut feeling developed court that robert s with the disappearance of jasmine could get his statements namely he denied slight cracks i also had an app on my cell phone but later admitted that he had it

He also spoke of jasmine in the past tense also should robert reluctant to the officers have behaved like this wanted to search the orange vw bus he also had his behavior in the interrogations changed initially been very cooperative then increasingly more irritated and also more annoyed they were reported in court search operations one of the largest ever also tried to be carried out you can use the health app from robert s and his steps and desk beats from it then draw possible conclusions but the efforts were unsuccessful

Unfortunately you couldn’t get jasmine because of that jasmins’ lawyer also thinks so mother ms. Braun asked in the second a criminal police officer on the day of the trial according to him, even more would have been possible but everything was searched for kept relevant and it also played a role money doesn’t matter so you still have it more points considered relevant there would have been another place to look jasmin could possibly be located you would definitely have that on their part police are still investigating and so am i

Ms. Braun then asked question whether in the investigation or also maybe you made a mistake while searching you hear that in other cases every now and then or maybe something an important point was overlooked or not following up on a tip was created to find jasmin’s same name and here you can listen to ms.

braun family lawyer or lawyer from karen better said on this topic so as far as i know of the files, it is there were an awful lot of so-called ones track folder umm, it’s really everyone’s thing serious and serious advice from the investigative authorities been followed up so i have to really say that was a incredible zeal and a incredible commitment, that too has to be you can clearly say you have it everywhere where there is even the slightest hint there you looked and you looked whether that with with bots with divers with

Dogs dog teams dogs i can’t think of anything about thermal imaging cameras i don’t have any more clues more where to say now it could be there, you have it really wanted on land and water er no so ultimately for me for me nothing comes of it now files but as always when you do it maybe sometime later i should find out what i should do for them jasmin’s mother is of course crazy wishes can just be that you then say okay, there was, there was maybe there’s a tiny bit somewhere small note inside the file that you

Just didn’t rate it because how always afterward, you’re always smarter but that’s how ns kin and i are now personally i think it’s a bit too reassuring and that told me too karen that you’re really the police here she cannot be blamed in any way really every stone symbolically turned around to look for jasmine unfortunately only without success but why you still don’t give up and that’s it jasmin still has a spark of hope left i’ll get to that at the end of the the episode was also made at that time the day of the trial stated that the employer

Something from jasmin and robert too must have noticed because he did have robert transferred after he she often has bruises stated whereas robert probably did police officers said jasmin was there too he became violent towards him but do not have witnesses against her but definitely there is something different reported that there was violence from him the relationship gave whether jasmin ever became violent towards that unfortunately i can’t judge that i don’t want to be here either stone chisel that it was like that or

That wasn’t the case on the third on the day of the trial, life was at stake of jasmine in the foreground were also again, officials listened primarily based on of the digital traces they have the image between robert and jasmin like that can draw a bit 5000 saved whatsapp messages forensica of the police from robert after reading the smartphone he writes when breaking

Up, e.g. In the news it’s said that there’s a break for jasmin but the betting was over but it should still be according to the evaluation jasmin is still jealous of robert’s ex-wife may have been and leaves him back in her apartment too discussed whether jasmin is pregnant could have been the gynecologist jasmin knew she was pregnant nothing robert, on the other hand, should be sad to have expressed his star children and jasmin didn’t think it was a coincidence that it happened twice so that she may have an exit twice could have had proof of that

But there are still pregnancies according to my information, not said a so-called cyber investigator becomes like this he mentioned in the press releases read all these chats and he noticed so he reports in the process that in the days before jasmin’s they disappear messages have a different tone assumed to be sober she had been and the emotions were out it was also clear that the news only a part reflected it was missing of course the calls from both of them too a police officer reported search jasmin’s apartment

Eigeltinghudorf where he gave an explanation i found roberts in the same place as i did the explanation i just mentioned briefly was just found in which robert is she agreed with this dental treatment costs too wear after having jasminia in the face had beaten corpse-sniffing dogs but also struck in the apartment there were no signs of a fight there blood was also found on it, among other things shower mat from jasmin but the quantity was so low that this even e.

G you now cut yourself while shaving could have just on this one shower mat could have come in other cases that i have already told you imagined was the amount of blood in a circumstantial process e.g. So high that one definitely from someone who has died or murdered person had to go out that was based on the amount of blood in jasmine but definitely not that way i would like to clarify something here again doesn’t mean that they aren’t in the apartment could also have perished played a role in the process whether jasmine

I could have been anesthetized yes, already mentioned and also death could have come, i asked them lawyer for jasmin’s mother wife braun whether jasmine has been anesthetized could or what cause of death could even have come into question so that was always the case at the end of the day another one like that working hypothesis of the exact exact in the end there is no incident clearly, the question is always where you don’t know what happened so neither has you witness jasmin is the one who has there was no one else there

Or at least we don’t know and then you need some traces and and and there you just have nothing found one simply knew away because there are no large traces of blood or found something like that in the apartment and it is assumed that the apartment is the it was a crime scene so they assumed it had to be a bloodless event of course there are several thought experiments and anesthesia is simply one of them that is one possibility of course via the one thought above all as well as photos appeared again are from her from the act to where one

Thought about it, well, ah, that one question was of course she lives to this at any point in time that that too could not be conclusively clarified so um the forensic pathologist just said i can’t say i can but don’t say she’s dead either so neither no because her face is not closed see was um and then of course there was that question why, er, why does she tolerate this? Soo lets her do that with herself if you just assume that um that that that there none none human relationship or none close relationship existed more than before

You can testify based on other witnesses i just had to go out, um and that’s why we kept coming back maybe he has it in mind entrusted but that was only one i mean working hypothesis in principle of course it would be anything else what a bloodless thing to do fracture whether by accident or by i have no idea so everything that has no yes no none would ultimately cause a pool of blood i think you could do the same thing twice i don’t understand ms.

braun very well she said it was an assumption whether he jasmine stunned and everyone else so scenarios at the end of the soundtrack would be the photos on the fraubu are just as conceivable alluded to were, among other things, photos of the unfortunately, jasmin’s private area is like hers you’ve just heard it jasmin’s face in all the pictures can’t recognize and the face i think about it the most information about whether she is dead now or not was alive in these photos so you don’t know if the photos in the early morning of february 19th

Dead jasmine shows you are also more likely to go from a bloodless event that so jasmin wasn’t shot, for example by the way, jasmine was also stung between midnight and february 19th the last time was at 7:53 a.m. In the morning actually photographs like that probably all night long every now and then and how exactly jasmin too death came, you just heard without now anticipating the verdict unfortunately, we don’t want to be clarified without one that’s just extreme difficult, there are no videos of it either

Possible act like in many others in cases a doctor looked at them but he could also send photos in court can’t tell if there’s jasmine in the pictures if she’s dead, you can’t tell she’s alive nor that she is dead is his statement it was also on the third day of the trial at that time next to the news and the movement profile of robert s from one investigator mentions what he has in the he has entered the search engine among other things, after the anesthetic effect of medications and lethality googled hence the assumption of the possible

Anesthesia of jasmine also became a little the role of the ex-partner and still robert’s wife in the process little discussed she made of her testimony right of refusal but use accordingly, their previous ones were also allowed statements not considered in court however, it was a bit like that a mystery than that forensic science has in the back seat of found a seat cover in jasmin’s toyota denes also in the passenger seat robert s’s ex-partner gives that police just assumed that these two seat covers belong together

But could also deliver the whole thing like you might already be thinking can ask more questions and answers too the two should probably go after that disappearance of jasmin on the phone have also been on the third at that time on the day of the trial it was clear that robert was two get the key to jasmin’s apartment imitation and one original key but that remained unclear whether jasmin would give him one of these keys you also heard what you confided in the next day of the trial also included the landlords

From jasmin’s apartment and the statements the landlord, however, took care of that in contrast, there was some unrest in the hall namely to all other witness statements said these from jasmine have a few days announced before her disappearance wanting to travel for a few days and that robert’s defenders accused this presiding judge hornstein being biased also karenss lawyer ms.

braun believed that landlord not a word, not even the judge couldn’t imagine that this statement could now be true and jasmin leaves everything behind and the i take a trip around the world from where she is to has not returned since then jasmin also lived a lot online and that everything should just be over now and she would even her beloved dog jasmin’s friend also leaves behind reported on the witness stand that she had her beloved dog not left alone i also had that too not mentioned, jasmin also took care of it still about her grandma a little bit

Nursing and she would have her grandma just left alone without a word left behind, of course you keep it also reported for very very questionable the girlfriend of violence towards jasm starting from robert’s so there too another voice that it’s just that there was also violence towards jasmin one heard via video conference another assessor from the lka went to it around the evaluated fiber traces friday december 22nd the last day of the trial will be in 2023 christmas turned things around, among other things

Also jasmin’s mother karen directly to him accused robert s tells you about it now again mr.ühnsberg from south korea and i am of course um as emotional moment stuck that was the last one just before christmas trial day before it’s over the holidays didn’t go any further, he’s in the new one a year later, only the public prosecutor had it appealed to the defendant again finally come to court participate and have something to say from a very emotional appeal of the jasmin’s mother also with tears then looked at him again in her eyes

Has if he knows something that he then let it be said that this will also be one played a significant role finally at his sentencing so the chairman also has it judge annstein in his the reasons for the judgment were then said again if he had nothing to do with it then it’s kind of hard to bear and hard to find a reason why then not at all says he wants her yes loved why doesn’t he help that i ask myself this question to clarify personally, of course, even if robert should really be innocent why he then did not testify in court

Certainly of course also on advice his lawyers but if i’m innocent i’m sure i’ll do everything for not being judged jasmins mother was also ill in the meantime that they will not make their statement until the new year so she was able to do so at the beginning of 2024 described jasmin in her statement as a cheerful person full of plans a break or suicide concluded them completely from that robert jasmin became violent towards and her she only stalked everything in full scope in later experience the time since jasmin disappeared

She described a bad person in court movie and i don’t like it at all imagine what that was like for karen and still has to be the man before court to see to have seen the presumably her daughter disappears and previously inflicted violence on her and i deliberately say probably here because the judgment is not yet final there’s more on that in a moment i with karen at the time of the trial i haven’t had any contact yet your lawyer once asked you karen in the experienced she was very very composed very clear very

Structured um and very focused on the process on what happened there and what the witnesses statements are also part of the processing part of dealing with that, of course whole and i have them too perceived naturally as driven by the hopefully this one will happen again somewhere this famous common thread appears again an approach where you could still look where could be jasmine and or even the defendant might say something when he keeps looking into my eyes he has to look when he sees me you then also on a trial day

Directly addressed to me, tell me at least where she is just that i can at least bury my child and of course at some point it was clear to me i don’t know exactly when, not just me i had the conversation with her the police know the conversation took place has um to told her we won’t be jasmin find more alive that we have to of it i assume she is dead was also in the process there was always again like that flare up maybe maybe after all so so this this hope and probably never so um i think she she also said yes in her statement back then

Said that she had the dog one i gave it to my girlfriend too would return again if jasmine come back so that’s how you see them knows that jasmine is dead we can also completely so i can be completely open with it talk to her about it and i had to too some people have to be very careful somehow with the choice of words because the just very very sensitive but that is she very clear that is is very i’m also crazy about her to her treasures because that the work very pleasant also really makes it is also challenging because she too

Accordingly, of course, with counter questions and then it also has holes and stuff that too but yes so that was it really a marathon for you the time after that was quite tense because then it got so quiet at the end mrs. Braun said just now, since it was so quiet was and the time for karen before and the process could have been very strenuous had to and the time afterwards was too very very calm and i imagine that also incredibly empty and sad because you just keep yourself busy beforehand with the process then you are in that

Process and and then everything falls from one and you have to first somehow see how to do it i think i can manage at all i talked to karen about it too spoken, i think that was completely true beginning in whatever form we come across want to talk to jasmin in the past tense or the present but karen told me quite clearly that she no longer expects jasmin a very small percentage lives like this of course it would stay but i’m thinking less than two years of disappearance and and no corpse is allowed at a mother also has this percentage

Be present because you have them now times not found to this day and there it’s someone who probably knows something but he is simply silent and love between mother and child is in many in cases they are simply unshakable and what could be worse than his child? To lose and not know where it is in general, i think you can too very difficult to complete if you just hasn’t found anyone near the body and his the child will not be given a dignified burial either can and karen said although she struggles get through life this way but in terms of health